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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2009, 11:16:46 PM »
I don't see that you have done anything with the harddrive. They do fail and that would cause nothing to happen when you turn on your computer. I had one fail in the past, mine would still boot up but it would take about 30 minutes to do so. Yours could have failed completely.

Disregard this. a PC with a failing HD will still get to the post screen and show an image.

This is both true and not true. On older machines a failing drive would totally kill all BIOS posts by flooding the IDE Buses with I/O errors, this was especially true if the cable was in backwards

Edit: sorry I wrote my reply inside the post :P
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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 11:59:09 PM »
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Disregard this. a PC with a failing HD will still get to the post screen and show an image.
Not so!

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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2009, 12:02:01 AM »
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Disregard this. a PC with a failing HD will still get to the post screen and show an image.
Not so!

Sorry! I had put my own reply inside the quote box  :-[

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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2009, 09:49:45 AM »
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Disregard this. a PC with a failing HD will still get to the post screen and show an image.
Not so!

yes it is. the BIOS only starts issueing BIOS commands upon beginning the Plug & play detection.

In this case the ATA "Identify drive" command would freeze the machine during boot- but would freeze at the PNP load screen.

You also can't flood a bus with I/O errors without an initial I/O request...

However- I'm still wrong, since a faulty drive could easily be flawed to the point of consuming too much power during boot, preventing the PS from being able to pass POWER_GOOD or PS_ON and thus allow the CPU to exit the reset loop.

I can almost see it via the logic board but I cannot think of a reasonable way that the logic board could flood the IDE bus enough to prevent the BIOS from initializing the video adapter, even without any IDE commands being issued, a flood of ATA messages across the bus would likely be ignored. BUT- a lot of clean-room BIOS code is very timing dependent and so could be influenced in this way to prevent video initialization. I would imagine the necessary amount of flooding needed to freeze before video initialization would vary based on the IDE speed implemented at the BIOS level as well as the speed of the processor.
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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2009, 10:00:12 AM »
But did he say that the monitor was tested on another PC?

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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 10:02:51 AM »
But did he say that the monitor was tested on another PC?

Yes- he tested it with his laptop.


It could easily be the hard drive, of course. I've just never personally experienced a drive failure that caused such a issue. In fact, I've had a lot of people give me "failed" drives, and they worked fine for me for years afterward.
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Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2009, 10:07:31 AM »
He says he did not replace the case.
Must be the case.
Right?

Don't laugh too hard, it has happened.

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    Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
    « Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 11:21:04 PM »
    So if it is not the hard drive, the only thing that you haven't replaced is the PSU. I don't see how a case could cause the issues your having unless the way the wires are run inside your case have rubbed against something and are grounding out somewhere in which replacing the PSU would correct the problem.

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      Re: HELP! Replaced Everything But the Case and Power Supply BUT STILL No Image!
      « Reply #23 on: February 25, 2009, 11:52:32 PM »
      Head (none too knowledgable head, so go easy Guru's) above parapet.............

      For my info at least...............

      Apart from possible RAM issues, was the same processor common to both MB tests? 

      If a processor fails, would you not get the "nuthin" he's getting??